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Katzler Research Grabatz -10km N of Hatzfeld - Village Names: Official: Grabati, Romania | German: Grabatz | Hungarian: Garabos, Grabacz, Grabac | variants: Grawatz Katzler in the Stader Book *Lookup kindly provided by Shirley Gibbard KATZLER (Cazler, Kazler) Georg, born about 1723, from Austria, from 1770 in Grabatz (Banat), died there 2/5/1786, wife Josefa N, b. abt. 1714 from Radlbrunn/Austria died 11.1.1794, children Johann Karl, Anna Maria, Margaretha, Grabatz house no. 108 (birthdates for children not given). KATZLER Johann, son of Georg Katzler, from Radlbrunn, Austria d., 9.1.1830 in Gottlob/Banat, m. 2.10.1770 in Grabatz (Banat), Maria Katharina, widow of Friedrich SIMON, children born in Gottlob, Margaretha 14.6.1773, Margaretha 7.8.1775, Anna Maria 6.1.1778, Maria 3.10.1789, Johann 29.7.1785, Magdalena 13.1.1788, Katharina 13.5.1790. Dr. Anton Peter Petri's GRABATZ Book - list of original families included Katharina KETZLER from Lothringen, date of marriage 2.10.1770. This is most likely the widow of Friedrich SIMON born about 1746, died 1.9.1770, from Farschweiler, Kreis Forbach, Lothringen. Petri also lists: Maria Anna Ketzler, from Alsace, born about 1746, died 2.6.1774 and Peter KESTLER from Tschakowa (Banat), born about 1787 and died 7.9.1805.   Grabatz Family Book Katzler (Cazler, Kazler) Georg; born 1721. From Austria, abt. 1770 in Grabatz/Banat, died 2.5.1786, wife was Josefa N.n (no name) She was born 1714 in Radlbrunn, Austria. She died 11.1.1794. Children were Johann, Karl, Anna Maria and Margaretha, Grabatz House number 108.   Katzler, Johann, led (unmarried) son of Georg and Josefa Katzler from Radlbrunner, Austria, died 9.1.1830 in Gottlob (Banat), married 2.10.1770 in Grabatz to Maria Katharina, widow of Fried Simon. Johann's children were born in Gottlob, Banat; Margaretha--born 14.6.1773, Margaretha 7.8.1775, Anna Maria 6.1.1778, Marie~3.10.1780, Johann~ 29.7.1785, ~ Magdalena, 13.1.1788 and Katharina, 13.5.1790, Qu: (228) SR Grabatz; (146) LuGot S 156 Lookup provided by John "Greenie" Greenbusch NIEDERMAJER Josef , rk Bauer gS, * um.1763 SV: Niedermayer, Nidermajer, Nidermaer; Groß-Komlosch HNr.389; SA 1802, Hk: Grabatz; Aj: 1799. oo 25.02.1783 Grabatz Kb 1/28/7 Tz : Klein Nikolaus, Raßkopf (?) Johann; EINSIEDLER Anna Maria , rk * um.1764 /EM/Vn: Magdalena, SSW II/10148(?); 1. Johann Adam * 13.01.1796 Grabatz Kb 2/37/8 SV: Nidermaer; /TM/VM: Maria Anna; 2. Johann * er.1798 † 11.01.1801 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/9/2 SV: Nidermajer; Groß-Komlosch HNr.389; 3. Magdalena * 14.01.1800 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/11/3 † 05.01.1801 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/9/1 SV: Nidermajer; Groß-Komlosch HNr.350, 389; 4. Anna Maria * 21.12.1801 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/14/7 SV: Niedermayer; /SA 1802 u. SL/Vn: Barbara; Groß-Komlosch HNr.389; Tp 1. Katzler Johann Adam (lg), Aladian Barbara (lg); 3. Reder Johann Georg u.Efr. Magdalena; 4. Heilmann Johann, Sensenstein Anna Maria; http://www.banaterheide.de/fambuch/Komlosch/FAM647.HTM   BORS Johann , rk Schmied, * um.1770 SV: Borz, Pors, Gottlob House number 121; Groß-Komlosch House number 23, 186, 176; Beruf: Kleinhäusler: SA 1802, Aj: 1797, o.Hk.; vh. mit "Margarethe"; Knecht: "Franz Paizs"; Q. Fb Gottlob 252/1348 u. 251/1347 (=Porst); oo 23.08.1791 Gottlob Kb 1/29/6 Tz : Reiter Peter, Schenko Johann; KATZLER Margarethe , rk * 14.06.1773 Gottlob Kb 1/3/3 Eltern: Johann Katzler und Maria Katharina Simon; /SA 1803/Vn: Margarethe; Q. Fb Gottlob 156/793; 1. Franz * 31.01.1792 Gottlob Kb 1/172/7 † 28.04.1794 Gottlob Kb 2/19/7 SV: Pors, Borz; Gottlob House number 122, 121; 2. Maria Anna * 27.09.1795 Gottlob Kb 1/194/5 SV: Pots, Borz; Gottlob House number 121; /SA 1802/Vn: Maria Magd; 3. Franz * 07.03.1798 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/7/14 oo 07.02.1819 Groß-Komlosch, Grauvogel Anna 4. Magdalena * 03.04.1800 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/11/11 oo 25.10.1823 Groß-Komlosch, Schira Georg 5. Anna Maria * 26.09.1802 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/16/5 oo 11.01.1824 Groß-Komlosch, Völker Peter 6. Barbara * 18.01.1805 Groß-Komlosch Kb 1/23/3 oo 03.11.1822 Groß-Komlosch, Dietrich Mathias Tp 1. Fuchs Franz, Paran Anna Maria; 2. Katzler Adam, Paran Marianna; 3. Böhm Franz, Binsberger Apollonia; 4. Reder Johann Georg, Reder Magdalena; 5. Eck Johann, Schreiner Anna Maria; 6. Sika Sebastian u.Efr. Anna Maria; http://www.banaterheide.de/fambuch/Komlosch/FAM80.HTM   1910 Timisoara City Directory/Radix - Adam Katzler   Name: Zusanna Marx age 34 born 1889 (wdh) Name: Johann Marx age 15 born  1908 Name: Hedwig Marx age 12, born 1911 Arrival Date: July 1, 1923 Sick Admitted July 6, 1923 Ethnic Background: German Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany Ship Name: Mount Clinton Port of Arrival: New York, New York Met by :Josef Katzler (br.i.l.. to Zusanna Marx) Detriot, Michigan, R.F.D. 3 Box 226 Hamtramck, Mich Last Residence: Romania Birth Place: Pardani, Romania Microfilm  Roll Number: 279

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Genealogical Report March 2005 B.: born / ge: birth record / C: christened / TNCC: Witnesses / PNCC: Godparents / KB’s: Church Registry / no. (house #) Comments made by Genealogist regarding the information I already had: ·         Married 18.11.1905, Timisoara, civil marriage -KAIL Balázs, B 8.02.1886 in Réthát [i.e. Wiesenhaid, Tisa Nouã in today Timis County, Romania], so of deceased Caspar & WELTCH Marianna, living in Fröbl Utca no. 3 -BODRI Julianna, B 9.08.1885 in Timisoara as illegitimate daughter of Teréz BODRI, living in Rózsa Utca nr. 21 3 TNCC : BODRI Péter, 46y[B~1860], living in Fröbl Utca no. 52 3 ·         B 9.11.1906, C 18.11., Timisoara Iosefin Parish, BODRI Henrik János András, illegitimate so BODRI Iulianna MC: the fact that BODRI Henrik János András is an illegitimate son in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church is due the fact that Julianna did not marry KAIL Balázs in a religious marriage.  07 Jun 1910 Balazs Kail age 25 traveling with wife Balazsne Kail age 25 (odd so close, the spellings of their names) It’s nothing odd here; in Hungarian language “Balazsne Kail” means only [in fact, it’s wrong; it should be KAILne Balazs because in Hungarian language the family name is always first. This “ne” means “the legal wife of”] the wife of KAIL Balazs. Wiesenhaid - KAIL Balázs & BODRI Julianna, were married here. Village Names: German: Wiesenhaid, Ipet Official: Tisa Nouã Hungarian: Réhat Spelling and/or dialect variants: Wiesenheid Country: Romania 15km SE of Arad Postal Code: 2918 Genealogical Records: Village name in FHL records: Wiesenhaid, Rethat Church records available at FHL: Christenings 1777-1828, Marriages 1777-1835, Deaths 1777-1835 FHL Microfilm Nr. 0858432 In the original Iosefin Parish KB’s (CHURCH REGISTRY) we did not find any trace on the Szende/Szentye family. More, the birth of Clara Szende/Szentye was not found in any of the Parishes existing in 1886 in Timisoara. So, she was not born or baptized in Timisoara BUT she was only living in Timisoara when she emigrated in 1910.  Instead, we did find the following ge in Iosefin Parish: ·        B 9.08.1885, C 10.08., Iosefin Parish, BODRI Iulianna, illegitimate daughter of BODRI Terez, hajadon/single, originally from Toba, Torontal county, living in House 15 Preyer Utcza Jozsefváros, PNCC FABIAN Mihály, (kocsis/carter es/end neje/) & his wife TOTH Iulia (Julia) Before 1885 we did not find any other child for BODRI Terez. MC: “originally from” could be understand as: 1. born in that village 2. the person lived in that place before moving to a new one, where he/she is involved in a genealogical event BODRI Teréz was not born in Tóba [Village Names: German: Toba/ Serbian: Toba/ Hungarian: Tóba. Location: in today Serbia]. We know this fact because we have all the Toba KB’s (CHURCH REGISTRY) on CD and searched for her birth/baptism. Instead, in the Toba KB’s (CHURCH REGISTRY) was found [see the attachment] something more important: ·        B 14.06.1864, C 14.06., Toba Parish, Christina BODRI, daughter of Franciscus & Agnes GYURITS, living in Kikindai Tanya, PNCC Georgius HÖFLER, Christina GEBHARD In Toba KB’s were not found any other trace on this family.  In Iosefin Parish: ·         B 28.12.1886, C 1.01., Iosefin Parish, BODRI Ilona, illegitimate daughter of BODRI Teréz, hajadon/single, munkánö/working women, originally from Tóba, living in Józsevaros Preyer útcza/street no. 15, PNCC FÁBIAN Mihály, bérkocsis/carter hired with hour és/and neje/wife TÓTH Iulianna, RITTER Josefa midwife, NEUROHR Mihály, káplán/priest ·         B 17.04.1889, C 22.04., Iosefin Parish, BODRI Mátyás, illegitimate son of BODRI Teréz, hajadon/single, munkánö/working women, originally from Tóba, living in Józsevaros Preyer útcza/street no. 10 ·         B 8.11.1892, C 13.11., BODRI András, illegitimate son of BODRI Teréz, hajadon, originally from Toba, living in Preyer Utcza, no. 7 ·         Married 7.08.1892, Iosefin Parish -BODRI Péter, munkas/worjker, nötlen = young man unmarried, age 32, born 28.06.1860, Novoszello, Torontal, son of Ferencz, közrendü (= common people, not a noble man) & GYURICS Agnes, living in Józsefvaros, Fröbl Utcza no. 33 Married to = -SÁNDOR Rosália, 31y, B 20.03.1861, Magyar Szent Márton, living in Józsefvaros, Fröbl Utcza no. 33, hajadon TNCC FEJES Lajos, földész, BOJCSUK Gergely, munkács MC: Novoszello, Torontal: Village Names: Serbian: Novo Selo/ Hungarian: Novoszella. Location: in today Serbia, near Kikinda Magyar Szent Márton: is today Sinmartinu Maghiar, in Timis County, Romania His Childrens: ·         B 28.04.1893, C 30.04., Iosefin Parish, D 21.11.1895, Ferencz, so BODRÉ Péter, vasuti munkás, originally from Novoszelló & SÁNDOR Rosalia, originally from Magyar Szent Márton, living in Fröbl Utcza no. 33 ·         B 19.08.1895, C 20.08., Iosefin Parish, Stefánia, do BODRI Péter & BODRI Róza, living in Rozsa Utcza no. 37 At today Iosefin Parish the following info was found: ·         D 8.02.1900, Iosefin Parish, BODRI Stefania, do Peter, vasutimunkás & SÁNDOR Róza, 4y, agyhártyalob, living in Eötvös street no. 6 ·         D 6.06.1918, Iosefin Parish, BODRI szül/born GYURICS Ágnes, 88y[B~1830], BODRI Ferencz özvegye/widow of, originally from Oroszlamos, living in H no. 7 on Gorové Utcza, végelgyhugules, buried on 7.06. in Iosefin cemetery Oroszlamos is today Banatsko Arandjelovo in Serbia.  MC: 7 Kovose Gasse is, in fact, Gorove Gasse/Utcza no. 7. Today Gorove Utcza is named Bolintineanu Dimitrie Street. Aradsanktmartin Village Names: German: Aradsanktmartin Official: Sânmartin Hungarian: Szentmarton Spelling and/or dialect variants: Sanktmartin, Samartin Country: Romania 29km N of Arad Postal Code: 2929 Railroad station: Curtici Genealogical Records: Village name in FHL records: Arad Sankt Martin, Sanmartin, Szentmarton Church records available at FHL: Christenings 1750-1852, Marriages 1750-1852, Deaths 1750-1852 FHL Microfilm Nr. 085854, 0858456

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Genealogical Report Comments by Genealogist Sorin Fortui - March 2005 Your 7 Kovose Gasse, the last address of Klara in Timisoara/Iosefin, is, in fact, [K≡G !] Gorove Gasse/Utcza no. 7 in Iosefin/Timisoara. In Timisoara did not existed a KOVOSE street. Gasse/Utcza=Street [in German and Hungarian]  At this address [i.e. Gorove Gasse/Utcza no. 7] died D 6.06.1918, Iosefin Parish, BODRI szül/born GYURICS Ágnes, 88y[B~1830], BODRI Ferencz özvegye/widow of, originally from Oroszlamos, living in H no. 7 on Gorové Utcza, végelgyhugules, buried on 7.06. in Iosefin cemetery. This GYURICS Ágnes is the mother of: ·        Christina BODRI, B 14.06.1864, C 14.06., Toba Parish, do Franciscus & Agnes GYURITS, living in Kikindai Tanya, PNCC Georgius HÖFLER, Christina GEBHARD and the mother of BODRI Terez [having several illegitimate children in Iosefin Parish] and the mother of BODRI Péter which married in Iosefin: ·        M 7.08.1892, Iosefin Parish -BODRI Péter, munkas/worjker, nötlen/young man unmarried, 32y, B 28.06.1860, Novoszello, Torontal, so Ferencz, közrendü/common people, not a noble man & GYURICS Agnes, living in Józsefvaros, Fröbl Utcza no. 33 -SÁNDOR Rosália, 31y, B 20.03.1861, Magyar Szent Márton, living in Józsefvaros, Fröbl Utcza no. 33, hajadon TNCC FEJES Lajos, földész, BOJCSUK Gergely, munkács   This BODRI Péter was the witness to Julianna’s marriage with KAIL: ·        M 18.11.1905, Timisoara, civil marriage -KAIL Balázs, B 8.02.1886 in Réthát [i.e. Wiesenhaid (see info below comments), Tisa Nouã in today Timis County, Romania], so of deceased Caspar & WELTCH Marianna, living in Fröbl Utca no. 3 -BODRI Julianna, B 9.08.1885 in Timisoara as illegitimate do Teréz BODRI, living in Rózsa Utca nr. 21 TNCC: BODRI Péter, 46y[B~1860], living in Fröbl Utca no. 52  And after all this said, how can you possibly say that Klara’s mother is not linked with the Bodri’s from Iosefin? If her first name is Julia or Christina is another matter. Both variants are possible. But for certain Klara’s mother was the daughter of BODRI Ferencz & GYURICS Ágnes. German: Wiesenhaid, Ipet Official: Tisa Nouã Hungarian: Réhat Spelling and/or dialect variants: Wiesenheid Country: Romania 15km SE of Arad Postal Code: 2918 1977: 1026 1930: 927 (97.6% Germans) 1910: 985 (96.0% Germans) Genealogical Records: Village name in FHL records: Wiesenhaid, Rethat Church records available at FHL: Christenings 1777-1828, Marriages 1777-1835, Deaths 1777-1835 FHL Microfilm Nr. 0858432

 

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Genealogical Report Questions & Answers with the Genealogist March 2005 Q: On the marriage application for Klara and Franz, Klara said her mother was Julia Bodri and father Karl Szentye. A: BUT both these first names -ie Julia & Karl- could be wrong because in other parts the father’s first name is listed as Peter or Pal/Paul   Q: Klara's last address on her Port of entry card listed her father as Peter Szende and she also said she was going to see her Cousin Blasz Kail.  A: Klara's "cousin" by alliance was indeed Blasz KAIL. This cousin thing means only a family relation and not the correct degree of the relation. And they were related!   Q: The immigration papers I have for Klara says she traveled from Hamburg with her 4 yr old nephew Henrich Kail this time she said her father was Paul. A: Again, this “nephew” means only a family relation and not the correct degree of the relation.   Q: On Klara's immigration papers Klara had listed her mother as Julia Bodri and then in another spot on the same immigration papers Klara mention her mother was Christina Bodri then to confuse me more on the same immigrations papers Klara listed her father in one place as Paul Szentye and in another part on the same immigration papers Klara listed her father Peter Szende. On the marriage record Klara listed her father as Karl Szentye and mother Julia Bodri. A: In my opinion [75% sure; we did find a Christina], this was her mother’s name.  In Hungarian language Szentye / Szende are pronounced very similar; only the TYE [TY is a long Y] is different then DE.   Q: After I received Klara's immigration papers and learned she and Henrich Kail went to Philadelphia together.  I began searching in Philadelphia and found Julia, the daughter of Henrich Kail and telephoned her.  I learned from her Henrich died November 2003, in his 90's.   She also sent me documents and  photos of my grandmother Klara, so I thought there had to be a family connection. A:  And there is!   Q: Julia confirmed that Klara Szentye was the lady who brought her father Henrich to America in 1911.  Julia also said that Juliana Bodri Kail was her father Henrich 's mother and Blasz Kail was Henrich Kail's father.  Since all this information fit together so nicely I thought for sure that my grandmother was related to the Bodri's.  But I have learned that Julianna Bodri Kail only had a brother who was Andrew.  A: False! BODRI Julianna B 9.08.1885 had at least 3 siblings: ·         B 28.12.1886, C 1.01., Iosefin Parish, BODRI Ilona, illegitimate do BODRI Teréz, hajadon/single, munkánö/working women, originally from Tóba, living in Józsevaros Preyer útcza/street no. 15, PNCC FÁBIAN Mihály, bérkocsis/carter hired with hour és/and neje/wife TÓTH Iulianna, RITTER Josefa midwife, NEUROHR Mihály, káplán/priest ·         B 17.04.1889, C 22.04., Iosefin Parish, BODRI Mátyás, illegitimate so BODRI Teréz, hajadon/single, munkánö/working women, originally from Tóba, living in Józsevaros Preyer útcza/street no. 10 B 8.11.1892, C 13.11., BODRI András [MC: this is Andrew in English!], illegitimate so BODRI Teréz, hajadon, originally from Toba, living in Preyer Utcza, no. 7 Q: I had received birth, baptismal, death and marriage records carrying 17 different spellings for Klara's last name.  When you you found no information on the family name Szende/Szenty only found information on Bodri I thought well  maybe something would come to light when you do your search Bodri and Klara's name just might appear.    A: Peter / Pal/Paul / Karl Szentye’s death. Last time I stopped in 1920 because in the archive was very cold. Who knows, maybe you are lucky

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Internet Finds Bobda Popth/Bobda Village Names: German: Official: Bobda Hungarian: Papd Spelling and/or dialect variants: Location: Country: Romania Postal Code: 1944 Railroad station: Filial parish of: Gertianosch, Tschene MISCH Heinrich -[M200]- Age: 25 -From: Bobda 14 Mar 1910 - To: Cincinnati, OH -Via: Ham/NY -Ship: Amerika Note: Born in Bobda. Uncle, Lambert Misch, lives in Gertianosch. Going to join mother, Katharine Misch. Last residence, Gertianosch. URBAN Maria -[U615]- Age: 24 -From: Bobda 6 Sep 1905 - To: Cincinnati, OH -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Chemnitz Note: Accompanied by kids, Johann 5 and Anna 11/12 and Katharine Misch 49Wd. Going to join husband, Jacob Urban who is the brother-in-law of Katharine Misch. KATZLER Michael -[K324]- Age: 23 -From: Bobda 22 May 1906 - To: Cincinnati, OH -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Gneisenau Note: Going to join halfbrother, Mathias Blum.

 

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Katzler Connections KATZLER Josef - Age: 25 (est yob) -3 Sep 1912 - From: Pardan To: Detroit, MI -Via: Bre/NY -Ship: Kronprinz Cecilie Note: Accompanied by wife, Helweg 20, and daughter, Katharine 2/12, all born in Pardan. Father, Adam Katzler, lives at Pardan 29. Going to join brother, Nikolaus Katzler. Previously lived in Cleveland, 1909-1911. KATZLER Magdalena -Age: 32 -8 Oct 1907 (est yob: ) - From: Pardan To: Wyandotte, MI -Via: Rot/NY -Ship: Potsdam Note: Born in Pardan. Mother(?) Margaret Katzler, lives in Pardan. KATZLER Nikolaus - Age: 17 (est yob)  -2 May 1906 - From: Pardan -DtAr: Wednesday,  - To: Wyandotte, MI -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Ultonia -Note: Traveling with his brother, Josef Kateler 19. Last residence, Serb Pardan. BAUMGARTNER Martin - Age: 40 -8 Apr 1907 (est yob ) - From: Pardan To: Wyandotte, MI -Via: Ham/NY -Ship: K Augusta Victoria Note: Accompanied by niece, Magdalena Katzler 15, both born in Pardan. Going to join nephew, Josef Katzler, who is the brother of Magdalena. Was previously in the U. S., 1904-1906 [*1866, son of Jacob Baumgartner and Barbara Oehl, oo 16 Feb 1890 to Katharina Katzler, *1869, dau of Stefan Katzler and Margaret Tabor]. BAUMGARTNER Martin -Age: 39 (est yob ) -19 Nov 1904 - From: Pardan To: Wyandotte, MI -Via: Ham/NY -Ship: Pretoria Note: [*1866, son of Jacob Baumgartner and Barbara Oehl, oo 16 Feb 1890 to Katharina Katzler, *1869, dau of Stefan Katzler and Margaret Tabor]. BAUMGARTNER Martin -[B526]- Age: 40 -From: Pardan 8 Apr 1907 - To: Wyandotte, MI -Via: Ham/NY -Ship: K Augusta Victoria Note: Accompanied by niece, Magdalena Katzler 15, both born in Pardan. Going to join nephew, Josef Katzler, who is the brother of Magdalena. Was previously in the U. S., 1904-1906 [*1866, son of Jacob Baumgartner and Barbara Oehl, oo 16 Feb 1890 to Katharina Katzler, *1869, dau of Stefan Katzler and Margaret Tabor]. KATZLER Michael - Age: 23 (est yob) -22 May 1906 - From: Bobda To: Cincinnati, OH -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Gneisenau Note: Going to join halfbrother, Mathias Blum.

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